Today's Gospel (Mt 18)

Today's Gospel (Mt 18)

Postby lasaxman » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:24 am

Who was Jesus speaking to in today's Gospel reading?

15 “If your brother* sins [against you], go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church.* If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
18 Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again, [amen,] I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything for which they are to pray, it shall be granted to them by my heavenly Father.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”
~ Matthew 18, 15-20


It seems as though He may be speaking to all of His followers ("the church") or perhaps just to the Apostles. Who is being given the power to bind and loose?
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Re: Today's Gospel (Mt 18)

Postby seamas o dalaigh » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:08 pm

David,

St Augustine:
Serm., 82, 1: Our Lord admonishes us not to overlook one another's faults, yet not so as seeking for matter of blame, but watching what you may amend. For our rebuke should be in love, not eager to wound, but anxious to amend. If you pass it by, you are become worse than he. He by doing you a wrong hath done himself a great hurt; you slight your brother's wound, and are more to blame for your silence than he for his ill words to you.


St Augustine again:
City of God, book i, ch. 9: For often we wrongly shun to teach and admonish, or to rebuke and check the wicked, either because the task is irksome, or because we would escape their enmity, lest they should harm or obstruct us in temporal things, whether in gaining objects we desire, or in holding what our frailty fears to love. But if any one spares reproof of evil doers, because he seeks fitter occasion, or fears to make them worse, or that they may be an impediment to the good and pious living of other weak ones, or may grieve them, or turn them from the faith; herein there is seen no considerations of covetousness, but the prudence of charity. And much weightier reason have they who are set over the churches, to the end they should not spare to rebuke sin; though not even he is free from this blame, who, though not in authority, knows of many things in them to whom he is bound by the ties of this life, which should be touched by admonition or correction, but neglects to do so; shunning their displeasure on account of things which he does not unduly use in this life, but wherewith he is unduly delighted.


St Rabanus:
He does not command us to forgive indiscriminately, but him only that will hearken and be obedient, and do penitence; that neither should forgiveness be unattainable, nor sufferance be too far relaxed.


St Jerome:
If then your brother have sinned against you, or hurt you in any matter, you have power, indeed must needs forgive him, for we are charged to forgive our debtors their debts. But if a man sin against God, it is no longer in our decision. But we do all the contrary of this; where God is wronged we are merciful, where the affront is to ourselves we prosecute the quarrel.


St Augustine:
But the Apostle says, "Them that sin rebuke before all, that others may fear to do the like." [1 Tim 5:20] Sometimes therefore your brother is to be spoken to between thee and him alone, sometimes to be rebuked before all. What you must do first, attend and learn; "If thy brother," says He, "sin against thee, tell him of his fault between thee and him alone." Why? Because he has sinned against you? What is it that he has sinned against you? You know that he has sinned, and therefore since his sin was in private, let your rebuke be in private too. For if you alone know of his trespass, and proceed to rebuke him before all, you do not correct but betray him. Your brother has sinned against you; if you alone know thereof, then he has sinned against you only; but if he did you a wrong in the presence of many, then he has sinned against those also who were witnesses of his fault. Those faults then are to be rebuked before all, that are committed before all; those which are done in private, are to be rebuked in private. Discern times, and the Scriptures are consistent.
But why do you correct your neighbour? Because his trespass has hurt yourself? Far be it from thee. If you do it from self-love, you do nought; if you do it from love of him, you do most rightly. Lastly, in what you shall say to him, keep in view for whose sake it is that you ought to do it, for your own or for his, for it follows, "If he hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother;" do it therefore for his sake, [p. 635] that you may gain him. And do you confess that by your sin against man you were lost; for if you were not lost, how has he gained you? Let none then make light of it when he sins against his brother.


http://dhspriory.org/thomas/CAMatthew.htm#18
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Re: Today's Gospel (Mt 18)

Postby lasaxman » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:23 pm

James,

Your quotes don't seem to address my question about to whom Jesus was speaking.

In those six short verses He seems to be speaking on possibly three different subjects. Was He speaking to three different audiences?

Verses 15-17 are about how to treat a fellow Christian who has sinned [against you].

Verse 18 has to do with binding and loosing on Earth and in Heaven.

Verses 19-20 are about the effectiveness of praying as a group.

All of the verses are addressed to a generic "you".
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Re: Today's Gospel (Mt 18)

Postby seamas o dalaigh » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:40 pm

David,

The power of binding was addressed to the Apostles.

St Jerome:
He therefore confers powers upon the Apostles, that they may be assured that when any are condemned after this manner, the sentence of man is ratified by the sentence of God. "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose upon the earth shall be loosed in heaven."
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Re: Today's Gospel (Mt 18)

Postby lasaxman » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:35 am

Does it say that in the Gospels somewhere?
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Re: Today's Gospel (Mt 18)

Postby seamas o dalaigh » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:59 pm

David,

Does it need to? Sola Scriptura?
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